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the president just won this historic re-election, how can he walk back now after he won re-election from this position? >> you know, i think that he's got the wind at his back. the american people want him to stand up for these essential programs. now, look, american people do want to see cost containment. we can do that in ways that doesn't result in cuts to beneficiaries. >> we'll have to take a break. >>> right now, lot more roundtable ahead. what's ahead for susan rice? mitt romney's team takes on the critics and what really happened when the rivals had lunch. >>> both men acted graciously, after lunch, mitt romney extend a return invitation to the president to visit him and his money at the cayman island. >> it's a nice gesture for the president considering that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. >>> as you heard, we have lots more to talk about with our roundtable right after this from our abc stations. >> but, the problem with controlling costs you can only do that to some degree. every single year we
the president just won this historic re-election, how can he walk back now after he won re-election from this position? >> you know, i think that he's got the wind at his back. the american people want him to stand up for these essential programs. now, look, american people do want to see cost containment. we can do that in ways that doesn't result in cuts to beneficiaries. >> we'll have to take a break. >>> right now, lot more roundtable ahead. what's ahead for susan rice?...
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remember on election night when president obama was reelected they told a story of his re-election. they went around the world to people reacting to it. rachel maddow went into this president obama. carl rove lost his mind. this was a smnapshot. i think he lost his mind. this is a snapshot. this is what jeff will preserve. >> america cares. people care. they care ware their country is going and the friends and neighbors and kids around them. there's lots to do here. >> the consensus is that cnn need a voice and zucker will help provide it. when we come back, the susan rice side. are the u.n. ambassador and her critics getting fair coverage? . you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, andtill pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. thor's couture gets the most rewards of any small business credit card. your boa! [ garth ] thor's small business earns double miles
remember on election night when president obama was reelected they told a story of his re-election. they went around the world to people reacting to it. rachel maddow went into this president obama. carl rove lost his mind. this was a smnapshot. i think he lost his mind. this is a snapshot. this is what jeff will preserve. >> america cares. people care. they care ware their country is going and the friends and neighbors and kids around them. there's lots to do here. >> the consensus...
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elected office. that should tell you something. we have a >> not a good idea to suggest you might cut and run. >> does the uncompromising grover nordquist still stand for consecutives. my next guess, the author of a book,. let's go to grover's position. where do you stand on that? some republicans dessert the new new taxes pledge if that's the only way to make a deal? >> they should not dessert the no new tacks pledge. and hurt the end game for democrats is to have the fiscal clive. it's not something i'm reading tea leaves on. take a look at a new yorker article in the middle of this year by ryan liza. he spoke to a number of obama people and they said unless republicans break the no-tax pledge they want to go into a fiscal cliff. they believe there will be a short recession and at the end of the recession the economy will go sky high and people well railize that big government is good soup. they believe that use, you have a is what drives us to broadcast the world's biggest events in 3d, or live to
elected office. that should tell you something. we have a >> not a good idea to suggest you might cut and run. >> does the uncompromising grover nordquist still stand for consecutives. my next guess, the author of a book,. let's go to grover's position. where do you stand on that? some republicans dessert the new new taxes pledge if that's the only way to make a deal? >> they should not dessert the no new tacks pledge. and hurt the end game for democrats is to have the fiscal...
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election cycle has ended we have a brief period of time before march when the iranian election cycle begins and they're unable to do anything diplomatically and so we have this brief window where we need to have serious talks and there's a sense that congress is interfering in sort of undermining the president's flexibility by passing yet another round of sanctions that are potentially going to upset some of the united states allies in this process yeah and that's what i want to talk to you about because this is not a direct action on iran this is a direct action on anyone who does business with iran so obviously in the long run who that hurt the most it hurts iran by. what about some of these other countries who would be penalize for doing business with iran i mean what what are you hearing is there a reaction i think there's concern about these measures that every time we've seen this in the past there's been this concern for instance you know these sanctions are really going to hit potentially turkey pretty hard because turkey depends on iran for its gas right now they've worked o
election cycle has ended we have a brief period of time before march when the iranian election cycle begins and they're unable to do anything diplomatically and so we have this brief window where we need to have serious talks and there's a sense that congress is interfering in sort of undermining the president's flexibility by passing yet another round of sanctions that are potentially going to upset some of the united states allies in this process yeah and that's what i want to talk to you...
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we talked about the presidential election. what caught my fancy is congressman ryan and senator rubio will be at the jack camp center as guests. i believe rubio or ryan is receiving an award. just 2016 came to mind fp fp you're looking at which ever one catches your fancy, the democratic landscape or the republican landscape for 2016, these are pretty prominent names. >> i think they're both top contenders on the republican side. paul ryan is the defacto leader. he's supposed to be very influential though he's hiding from the press which is interesting. we know that marco rubio is running. will ryan support it. will he gets blamed if he does by the purist in the party. will marco rubio turn immigration around which is very risky with the base. >> it's interesting where the republicans have now suffered a loss. clearly mitt romney is not going to be be party leader. they don't actually have one and you watch the wilderness fight for a while. >> candy, i hate to say this because i know we all want to play along with 2016. i thin
we talked about the presidential election. what caught my fancy is congressman ryan and senator rubio will be at the jack camp center as guests. i believe rubio or ryan is receiving an award. just 2016 came to mind fp fp you're looking at which ever one catches your fancy, the democratic landscape or the republican landscape for 2016, these are pretty prominent names. >> i think they're both top contenders on the republican side. paul ryan is the defacto leader. he's supposed to be very...
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a few days before the election he said vote for, quote, revenge. one of his top white house advisors, valerie jarrett, also used the word revenge after the election. this is the left. this is how they think. van jones was quoted as saying, and this is a self avowed communist, by the way, sean, talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and more broadly i in the west, and he said, and i quote. we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. >> let me show another cut from the same speech where he refers to conservatives and republicans as treasonnists. >> the republican party votes against help for veterans. let the bodies fil pile up on te beach. we don't care how much they suffered. they'll vote against this president. let the bodies pile up on the beach. you were faced with the prospect of that kind of treachery and we beat them. >> let the bodies pile up on the beach. all lies, but this propaganda of the left continues. why? >> you have to give it to van jones because at least he's honest. at least he is giving vo
a few days before the election he said vote for, quote, revenge. one of his top white house advisors, valerie jarrett, also used the word revenge after the election. this is the left. this is how they think. van jones was quoted as saying, and this is a self avowed communist, by the way, sean, talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and more broadly i in the west, and he said, and i quote. we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. >> let me show...
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and when they were elected she didn't speak out afterwards. even if she wants to say i didn't realize the election was coming up, or it came out of the blue, once they were eye selected there was no condemnation from rice, i've been at the u.n. and if you go there and want to be liked, you're not going to be very effective. i wrote this piece that shared 30 points why susan rice should not get a promotion, and all has to deal with things that happened before benghazi. so, there's a plethora of evidence out there that every single time a controversial issue came up, that she was nowhere to be found0. en iran, she waited 17 months before she tried to offer any resolution. the draft resolution put forward by the united states was actually taken out of her hands. the state department secretary clinton let somebody else negotiate it. we have not seen another resolution in 30 months. so she has passed one resolution, and with that one resolution she lost more support than all of the previous five resolutions combined. >> you know what's interesting,
and when they were elected she didn't speak out afterwards. even if she wants to say i didn't realize the election was coming up, or it came out of the blue, once they were eye selected there was no condemnation from rice, i've been at the u.n. and if you go there and want to be liked, you're not going to be very effective. i wrote this piece that shared 30 points why susan rice should not get a promotion, and all has to deal with things that happened before benghazi. so, there's a plethora of...
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and to think that we just finished the elections tomorrow, be four weeks ago. this has everything to do with hillary clinton purportedly running for president in 2016. john kerry, whether he's nominated or not sir relevant and people are saying you got staffers up on the hill saying kerry seat would be in danger. please understand barack obama won massachusetts by almost 25 points. it's not like that seat would be in danger, frankly. so this has everything to do with -- this has nothing to do with susan rice. she's qualified. this is all about hillary clinton and whether or not she runs for president in 2016. remember, you've got hillary clinton sitting at 70% of approval rating. you have to start the narrative right now. they can't bash or go after hick even though she's secretary of state. direct responsibility for what happened in benghazi falls under the purview of hillary clinton. susan rice is irrelevant. this is about setting up a narrative for the next four wears to go after hillary clinton in four years. that's what this is all about. >> but so if john
and to think that we just finished the elections tomorrow, be four weeks ago. this has everything to do with hillary clinton purportedly running for president in 2016. john kerry, whether he's nominated or not sir relevant and people are saying you got staffers up on the hill saying kerry seat would be in danger. please understand barack obama won massachusetts by almost 25 points. it's not like that seat would be in danger, frankly. so this has everything to do with -- this has nothing to do...
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the president won the election on that issue and i think you will see our republican colleagues reluctantly say 39.6. >> let me interrupt and bring in senator corker. senator schumer's right, a growing number much republicans and conservatives, not a majority, but a growing number, are saying we have to cave on tax -- on raising tax rates, not just the idea of closing loopholes. would you accept returning to the clinton rate of 39.6% or would you accept something perhaps a midpoint, 37% or starting with people who made $500,000 rather than 250? >> chris, there's a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing we don't have a lot of cards as a relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate's in the democrats' hands. i think it has merit, you give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%. and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. all of a sudden once you give him the rate on the top 2% it's actually lesser tax increases than what he's been talking about. the focu
the president won the election on that issue and i think you will see our republican colleagues reluctantly say 39.6. >> let me interrupt and bring in senator corker. senator schumer's right, a growing number much republicans and conservatives, not a majority, but a growing number, are saying we have to cave on tax -- on raising tax rates, not just the idea of closing loopholes. would you accept returning to the clinton rate of 39.6% or would you accept something perhaps a midpoint, 37%...
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stole the election for president obama. the good news is that is a drop of 3 percentage points since 2008, when 52% of republicans thought that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election for president obama. the bad news is that a.c.o.r.n. no longer exists, and so the 49% of republicans who still believe that a.c.o.r.n. stole this election for president obama are even more delusional than they were four years ago when the group thought they stole the election at least existed. some republicans are so bummed by the re-election of president obama that they don't want to live in america anymore.ç they also don't want to move. so 25% say they would like their state to secede from the union. only 56% of republicans want to remain americans. and 19% of republicans are still so dazed and confused they haven't been able to decide if they want to secede from the union. other republicans are making the saner choice of seceding from the party. in public policy polling's final poll before the election, they found that 37% of voters identified the
stole the election for president obama. the good news is that is a drop of 3 percentage points since 2008, when 52% of republicans thought that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election for president obama. the bad news is that a.c.o.r.n. no longer exists, and so the 49% of republicans who still believe that a.c.o.r.n. stole this election for president obama are even more delusional than they were four years ago when the group thought they stole the election at least existed. some republicans are so bummed...
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that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use uf -- and that means health care for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. >> we're out of time, guys. nice to talk to you. i appreciate it. >>> next, violent clashes along the turkey, syria border and a new heir to the british throne is on the way. our piers morgan will explain the fuss. that's coming up next. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. ♪ â™
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that is, after a tough election, you move on to do what's right for the country, and she's done that. i don't think there's any limit to her potential, and that's going without saying based upon what she's succeeded at. on the other hand, you know, this is a very personal decision, as she knows better than anyone, because she's been through it, and she's lived the life very advise ivisible, very. i think she deserves time to reflect on things and enjoy life more than she's been able to over the last number of years. the vice president is also extremely well liked, well known throughout the democratic party, and as a primary candidate, if that was his choice, he would be also strong, but there are a lot of number of other governors and other elected officials that are coming up that i think will want to be involved in the next presidential election, but it is a long way out, and we ought to at least get through the holiday season and enjoy life a little more than talking about campaigns again. >> well, at the same time, there is a down side because if she wants to keep her options open
that is, after a tough election, you move on to do what's right for the country, and she's done that. i don't think there's any limit to her potential, and that's going without saying based upon what she's succeeded at. on the other hand, you know, this is a very personal decision, as she knows better than anyone, because she's been through it, and she's lived the life very advise ivisible, very. i think she deserves time to reflect on things and enjoy life more than she's been able to over the...
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i just frac fragilely frankly t. >> the election was four weeks ago from tonight. it's four weeks from now in the future that we're over the cliff, and i see no movement by the president. the offer that tim geithner brought was an awful one. he just wants a new credit card without a limit. the senate hasn't passed a bucket in almost four years. >> if we hit the debt ceiling at the end of the month, it will go into effect about february because there's some money games we can do to pay our debt until then, to manage to get by. in february when we're totally out of money and all the americans who filed for their tax returns wanting their money, they want their refund and we don't have any cash, we'll see how happy the american people are. >> the american people are right to be very concerned. >> engaged. >> maybe good at campaigning, but he's not very good at leading. >> thank you, senator. >>> coming up, there's very disturbing news tonight out of egypt. we'll have the latest and ambassador john bolton is here. they say no good deed goes unpunished. one worker learn
i just frac fragilely frankly t. >> the election was four weeks ago from tonight. it's four weeks from now in the future that we're over the cliff, and i see no movement by the president. the offer that tim geithner brought was an awful one. he just wants a new credit card without a limit. the senate hasn't passed a bucket in almost four years. >> if we hit the debt ceiling at the end of the month, it will go into effect about february because there's some money games we can do to...
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the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is to shed this label of obstructionist. i think there's also a huge incentive for the president as well. he's now in his second term. and history and the american people aren't going to judge him by saying, well, they caused it to fail. they want results, they want production, and i think the republicans have to produce, they both is an interest in doing it. >> former senate majority leader, george mitchell. thank you so much for swinging by. and now that i know you live fairly close by, we'll invite you every other week, perhaps. next time we'll talk baseball. >> how about thanks a lot. >> coming up, jimmy carter never shy to criticize the current players in the middle east peace effort. >> they netanyahu policy needs to change. because he's the first prime minister in the history of the israel that has shifted to a one-sta
the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is to shed this label of obstructionist. i think there's also a huge incentive for the president as well. he's now in his second term. and history and the american people aren't going to judge him by saying, well, they caused it to fail. they want results, they want production, and i...
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we saw that in state after state in the last election. the supreme court will take up the issue, and i hope that they understand as most of us do that this is part of our future. marriage equality and the equal treatment of people who have made this decision is part of what america is all about. >> final point, senator durbin. susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the president has not told me what his decision will be. there have been two excellent names mentioned, ambassador rice and my colleague, senator kerry. either one of them would have a tough job following the great job of hillary clinton, but they could both serve this country in an extraordinary way as secretary of state. >> you're saying that rice could get confirmed? >> i do believe so. i think at the end, some of the criticisms against her have been unwarranted. many have gone just too far. there is really a basic feeling of fairness. she is an extraordinary pers
we saw that in state after state in the last election. the supreme court will take up the issue, and i hope that they understand as most of us do that this is part of our future. marriage equality and the equal treatment of people who have made this decision is part of what america is all about. >> final point, senator durbin. susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the...
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and of course the election may be sooner than we think, even though the election is over. we'll be right back in just a moment. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> it was a rare event late on a friday afternoon when we learned the u.s. supreme court is going to wade into one of the most talked about and emotional issues of our time. >> the fact that the court has agreed to take both cases could mean that the justices are prepared to get to the heart of the same-sex marriage issue, and that could result in what would eventually be the roe v. wade of gay rights. >> we are back on a big story that will become an even bigger story when we move forward, and that's the question of marriage equality for gays and lesbians in the country. speaker gingrich, you oppose same-sex marriage
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and of course the election may be sooner than we think, even though the election is over. we'll be right back in just a moment. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> it was a rare event late on a friday afternoon when we learned the u.s. supreme court is going to wade into one of the most talked about and emotional issues of our time. >> the fact that the court has agreed to take both cases could mean that
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failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharge petition it to automatically bring to the floor the senate-passed middle class tax cut. even though congresswoman bass and others have expressed opt mit optimism, when you put them in a corner, there's not a guarantee a deal will be made in the time period needed. >> that's right. something like that would certainly fail in the house because, of course, there is a republican majority there. they would pick off some republicans. i don't think you would get enough for something like that to pass. i just spoke to some democratic aid
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>> when president obama made his election victory speech, he broke his silence on climate change, what it would do to america's children. he then subsequently said that he wants to be a global leader on climate change, but the position that has been taken by the united states in these talks is business as usual, has not reflected the urgency of what has just happened in the united states through hurricane sandy, the fact that there is massive drought in many parts of the country itself, and huge climate impacts happening in a world elsewhere. the bottom line is, the politics of the negotiation is out of touch with all the science says, and president obama and other political leaders need to recognize, nature does not negotiate. we have to change. sadly, these negotiators are not reflecting that urgency and the ambition of the kind of change we need to see. >> i want to turn for a moment to my questioning of jonathan pershing. he was part of a news conference yesterday, along with other climate negotiators from around the world. i think the conference was called to meet the negotiators.
>> when president obama made his election victory speech, he broke his silence on climate change, what it would do to america's children. he then subsequently said that he wants to be a global leader on climate change, but the position that has been taken by the united states in these talks is business as usual, has not reflected the urgency of what has just happened in the united states through hurricane sandy, the fact that there is massive drought in many parts of the country itself,...
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these are all the people who helped elect him four years ago. he's not reaching out as far as we know to business leaders and other foreign policy experts. talk of chuck hagel. we believe he's been vetted. possibly for the pentagon or cia. we don't know how serious that is. so far, it's all the same circle. >> that's right. >> musical chairs. >> musical chairs. the knock a lot of people in washington give to the obama white house it is too insular and he doesn't pull the kinds of expertise he needs into this white house. there's an opportunity in this second term for him to shake things up a little bit. you know, maybe to bring in new players, new faces who have been there from the clinton white house, and kind of help the dynamic and help the governing because a lot of people on capitol hill even democrats will tell you, he's not good at governing and building coalitions. maybe if he brought some folks in who knew how to do that there would be more give and take on the fiscal cliff issue, on the tax reform and entitlement reforms that we get ne
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our elected representative wouldn't involved. you mentioned that possibly through the bureau of alcohol, firearm and explosives what would happen is this would be a move by the administration that would go in to effect. without the legislature getting involved. >> that is the problem. shannon, you see the gun-grabbers in ice for years wanted to de -- in the united states for years want to deprive law-abiding citizens obtaining firearms, especially in this case semi-automatic firearms. there is move to try to been a the semi-automatic firearms or certain firearms but they probably will not get very far with this proposal. because there simply is not public support for it. so the gun grabbers would rely on the boy in the white house to use executive order in this way to try to been a them. to keep law abiding citizens from being able to obtain the firearms for legitimate purposes. >> shannon: the white house each time that the gun rights issue has come up said the president and the white house have no intention at all of depriving
our elected representative wouldn't involved. you mentioned that possibly through the bureau of alcohol, firearm and explosives what would happen is this would be a move by the administration that would go in to effect. without the legislature getting involved. >> that is the problem. shannon, you see the gun-grabbers in ice for years wanted to de -- in the united states for years want to deprive law-abiding citizens obtaining firearms, especially in this case semi-automatic firearms....
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also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in unfunded highbilities those are promises that are made that we have to keep. >> guys, this is part of what is interesting about this conversation. when you hear the speaker talking about the loop holes that is the same rhetoric that we heard from mit romney. >> they are using the stuff that is done in the budget control last year. >> those are terrible talking points. >> let me say this point. >> hang on a second. i want to go to guy benson on another point. there is a lot of talk that the republicans might have a doom's day scenario. if there is a budget stalemate, then the republicans will allow a vot
also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in...
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>> i mean you,ed have had all of the advisers at post election conference saying it wasn't. michele bachmann put a ton of time, resources and that didn't turn into anything, as you well know. the governor has said it's irrelevant we should move beyond it. when you have governor of the party saying we should move beyond it and the top consultants on the last campaign saying, yeah it doesn't matter, you know, i think it's probably losing its significance. >> michele bachmann won the ames straw poll and finished sixth, sixth in the iowa caucuses. the other one i thought was right on, saving money to advertise in october is a good idea. turns out not, why? >> this, i think, could have the most lasting impact going forward that will be interesting to see in 2016. as you well know, the obama campaign made an early decision to define mitt romney in may and june, coming out of the primary. went right into the states, sort of framing him as a plutocrat who didn't care about the middle class, mitt romney campaign reserved time for the fall, put $20 million into the fall but he was alr
>> i mean you,ed have had all of the advisers at post election conference saying it wasn't. michele bachmann put a ton of time, resources and that didn't turn into anything, as you well know. the governor has said it's irrelevant we should move beyond it. when you have governor of the party saying we should move beyond it and the top consultants on the last campaign saying, yeah it doesn't matter, you know, i think it's probably losing its significance. >> michele bachmann won the...
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they lost the election. they continue to have control of the house but they have lost a lot of ground and have to come to terms with it. this is going to take some time. having watched so many negotiations play out over the years, the ice never breaks until the very last minute. >> you two, thank you so much. good to talk with you as always. >>> pouring rain and heavy storms are heading to nevada after pounding much of northern california. many rivers are expected to crest above flood stage. the rain may be too much, especially in one mountain town. let's go live to miguel almaguer. look at the raging waters behind you. >> reporter: what a difference a day makes. we got here yesterday afternoon and the water level was almost this high. we didn't see the rapids coming down this river and this is not at crest. we're told this river at least in had this area right here in downtown truckee will not flood. it's not expected to flood, but that doesn't mean it won't overflow. here in the county, a state of emergenc
they lost the election. they continue to have control of the house but they have lost a lot of ground and have to come to terms with it. this is going to take some time. having watched so many negotiations play out over the years, the ice never breaks until the very last minute. >> you two, thank you so much. good to talk with you as always. >>> pouring rain and heavy storms are heading to nevada after pounding much of northern california. many rivers are expected to crest above...
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and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of that since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company of red lobster, filing a fight for the president's health care law, not because of the actual law, because it criticized the law. the gang from forbes is going to explain the top of the hour, up next, did any of you see this? >> oh! oh! >> apparently these guys just found out that they could get fined for eating while driving. is nothing sacred? having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. > >> coming down and p
and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of that since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company...
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end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the period, the grieving period and the acceptance period for when it doesn't go your way, especially when there was every inclination it would go his way and remember what a long torturous, tedious primary period. about 175 republican debates before the general election. he was wiped out before the finals. >> what i find disgusting is i like mitt romney. and his wife and kids. they're nice people. and the way they've all been chucked under the bus by the other republicans, one by one, racing to distance themselves, i don't like that. it's just disloyal to me. >> i think that romney was someone who -- i mean, listen. i'm glad the way everyt
end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the...
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is it the people who spoke in the election and voted for the president? this issue was foremost in the campaign. the people spoke. the republicans need to listen. in the end, i think that will happen. >> and how critical do you think the debt ceiling question is to any agreement that you're willing to take? >> i think steve rattner was correct. i think we cannot continue to just have it hang over our heads. i think it needs to be resolved as part of these discussions of the fiscal cliff. it cannot simply be allowed to hang there for the next few months. i think they have to be both resolved. i think they will be. >> congressman s sander levin, you very much. >> thanks. >> coming up next, they are suving in iraq and afghanistan and in huge numbers, but without either the pay, benefits or other side benefits of being a combat troop. what do women really want next on "andrea mitchell reports." wasn't my daughter's black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids
is it the people who spoke in the election and voted for the president? this issue was foremost in the campaign. the people spoke. the republicans need to listen. in the end, i think that will happen. >> and how critical do you think the debt ceiling question is to any agreement that you're willing to take? >> i think steve rattner was correct. i think we cannot continue to just have it hang over our heads. i think it needs to be resolved as part of these discussions of the fiscal...
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what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most people i know, maybe not for people in red state, christian conservatives. needed to put a woman on the ticket. >> i was amazed he didn't go from the over demographics. he had marco rubio on condoleezza rice if they had done it. >> if he had gone for meg wh whitman. he might have won. if he took a serious woman as opposed to palin in 2008. >> on obama, he fought a campaign that was pretty skillful on the ground where it mattered in the swing states. probably why he won. by any kind of criminal just you say he didn't live up to the promise he gave four years ago. what do you want hi
what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most...
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the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on the issues. 60% according to a new politi politico/george washington university poll believes the top should have an increase in taxes. fighting the public and appear to be ideological doesn't seem to work. certainly didn't in terms of knocking president obama off. >> one thing that also didn't work in 2011 was the president ab do kating the role to nancy pelosi and harry reid. this time around, maybe because he feels he has the mandate, he's doing the negotiations straight on with boehner which i think leads to a better resu
the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on...
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house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what is the credit sauce? we'll dig into it. but first here's my take. as we debate whether the two parties can ever come together and get things done, here is something president obama could do probably by himself that would be a single accomplishment of his presidency, end the war on terror. for the first time since 9/11, an administration official has raised this prospect. said in a speech to the oxford union last week, that as the battle against al qaeda continues, there will be come a tipping point as so many of the leaders and operatives of al qaeda have killed or captures such as al qaeda as we know it has been effectivel
house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what...
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the election just matters in profound ways, look at salt lake city, the mormon church after the election said, well, maybe we're going to change our position on home sexuality is a choice you're not born that way. it reverberates all of the way through society. i can't believe that they took this up. the fact that they took it up, it believes they're going to uphold some of these. >> mary, not just the election, the trend has been pretty clear over the last dozen years. i want to show this pew poll back in 2001, 57% of the country opposed gay marriage, only 35% were for. this year the lines have crossed. 48% approaching. going above 50%. support gay marriage in the country. >> well, because americans have common sense. important constitutional, ideology call questions. people living in the real world, the greatest threat are the hetero sexuals who don't get married and create babies. that's more problematic for our culture than home sexuals getting married. in real life, looking down 30 years from now, real people understand the consequences of so many babies being born out of wedlo wedl
the election just matters in profound ways, look at salt lake city, the mormon church after the election said, well, maybe we're going to change our position on home sexuality is a choice you're not born that way. it reverberates all of the way through society. i can't believe that they took this up. the fact that they took it up, it believes they're going to uphold some of these. >> mary, not just the election, the trend has been pretty clear over the last dozen years. i want to show...
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in safe seats so the crucial election is not the general election, it's the primary election, and as we know in primaries, there's low participation which gives a hugely disproportionate power to the rigid extremes on both sides. that makes it very difficult. second is the overwhelming amount of money, of all of the judicial mistakes that have been made in history by supreme courts, few in my judgment will history record as being more unwise and wrong than the supreme court decision in the citizens united case, which took a situation already reeking with too much money and just poured tons of it, more into it. so for members now, it's just a mad money chase all the time, which i think is demeaning to everybody and very, very unfortunate. so it's a combination of factors. many others, but those are some of them. >> so look, you've helped negotiate peace in northern ireland. you worked on peace in the middle east. how does the problem here get fixed? >> well, i think in the end, in democracies it's fixed only by the people. the word democracy is a combination of two greek words, demos,
in safe seats so the crucial election is not the general election, it's the primary election, and as we know in primaries, there's low participation which gives a hugely disproportionate power to the rigid extremes on both sides. that makes it very difficult. second is the overwhelming amount of money, of all of the judicial mistakes that have been made in history by supreme courts, few in my judgment will history record as being more unwise and wrong than the supreme court decision in the...
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the president won this election fair and square. american voters are clear on the mandate and support an increase in tax rates to balance this budget. >> that is not true. for the bush tax cuts to expire and top 2 percent even most generous estimate that is $90 billion more in revenue. not $1.6 trillion more in revenue even over ten years. even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going to get the rest of it? it will have to come from entitlement reform and meaning spending cuts. >> it's coming from loopholes. i think we can. >> he criticized governor romney's plan based on the premise there is not enough revenue in the loop homes. he has agreed to the flame work, revenues or the table. we will give you $800 billion. that is great starting point. president has insulted republicans who are going out on the limb by wanting to be more pragmatic about this by coming to the congress which even among the most liberal writers in it is
the president won this election fair and square. american voters are clear on the mandate and support an increase in tax rates to balance this budget. >> that is not true. for the bush tax cuts to expire and top 2 percent even most generous estimate that is $90 billion more in revenue. not $1.6 trillion more in revenue even over ten years. even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you...
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. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common ground here, and we need to do it quick. >> there ain't going to be any between these two ties, my
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starting to realize just how important the hispanic vote is in the wake of this last general election because according to the pew hispanic center a whopping 67% of latino voters are democrat. >> so when it comes to issues like the economy or immigration, we see hispanics seeing the democratic party as the party that is more in line with their views. >> and that is the main reason, that is the main reason why g.o.p. leaders are saying something has got to change. they have got to change their strategy, shep. >> shepard: casey stegall in dallas tonight. the first president bush is doing better but is he still in the hospital tonight. that's a word from doctors in houston. they say george h.w. bush, bush 41 has been fighting a cough caused by bronchitis and they don't want to send him home too soon. the former president is 88 years old. he has been in the hospital since the day after thanksgiving. former senator bob dole made a rare visit to capitol hill today. appearing frail to observers after recent hospital stay. he is 89 now. he was in d.c. to rally treaty for disability rights. hi
starting to realize just how important the hispanic vote is in the wake of this last general election because according to the pew hispanic center a whopping 67% of latino voters are democrat. >> so when it comes to issues like the economy or immigration, we see hispanics seeing the democratic party as the party that is more in line with their views. >> and that is the main reason, that is the main reason why g.o.p. leaders are saying something has got to change. they have got to...
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the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly raising some entitlement reform proposals with the president. but then the speaker and his co-signers here have this sentence, mindful of the status quo election and questions on entitlement reform we recognize it would be counterproductive to privately or publicly propose entitlement reforms you or the leader of your party are unwilling to changed in near term. boehner is laying out a revision going back to the simpson/bowles plan in some way, shape or form and that's the gist of this offer from the speaker to the president. we're diving into it in real
the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly...
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if you look back at the 2004 election, there was lots of debate about whether or not bush's re-election could be pinned on the fact that in many of these states, there were referendum on the ballot about things such as same sex marriage, that the social issues were being dredged up as sort of positive for the republicans. fast forward to this election and as we discussed on the show before, you have gay marriage, you have marijuana, you have these issues on which republicans, you know, not necessarily where the voters were this time around in many of these states that literally in just the last ten years alone, public opinion has shifted a lot. though it's important to remember that i don't think of this as as much of a partisan issue as it is generational. remember, it was just a few months ago that president obama was evolving on his position and you had dick cheney who was kind of to the left of him on gay marriage. so i don't view this as much as a partisan issue. i view this as generational and something that both parties, particularly the republican party, though, will be addressi
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last year's election in just this november, governor romney pulled in 27%. it was a group that they knew they were having issues with really all along and the numbers were not good as you can see on election night. let's bring in our great panel today to talk about this. brad blakeman served as deputy assistant to president george w. bush and gem my green, president of women woman's center and fox news contributor. good to have you both. >> good morning. martha: brad, president bush has been very much under the radar. he always said that is the way he wanted to be as the former president but are we seeing perhaps emergence of a new bush legacy in this? talk to me what he said yesterday and what you see as the potential role in all of this? >> what he did yesterday he raised an issue front and center in a problem not only in our economy but in our social fabric as a society. we have an immigration problem. we have 12 million illegal immigrants in america that must be dealt with. we secure our borders. we have e-verify to verify the employment. we have to deal
last year's election in just this november, governor romney pulled in 27%. it was a group that they knew they were having issues with really all along and the numbers were not good as you can see on election night. let's bring in our great panel today to talk about this. brad blakeman served as deputy assistant to president george w. bush and gem my green, president of women woman's center and fox news contributor. good to have you both. >> good morning. martha: brad, president bush has...